Curse

AncientPC · Dec 21, 2005, 08:01 AM // 08:01

1) For those who stocked up (including myself) and lost money in the process, well it was a gamble. Suck it up and move on. You should've assumed the risks beforehand. If it is too good to be true, it probably is.

2) If you lost a bunch of money, A.net doesn't owe you anything and you have no "legal" rights to stand on:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arwen Dejang

Please Read:

http://www.guildwars.com/legal/user-agreement.html

Then Read: (Note rule 18)

http://www.guildwars.com/legal/user-agreement.html

Ok for those of you that dont wish to read it is illegal as in bad no cookie to use exploits, to sell exploits, heck to even mention exploits except directly to GuildWars.com. Wow.. so what does this mean? It means that they dont have to pay you back, they should ban you if you participated, and that you seem to show a lack of caring about the rules. Yea some people are just so mature. Anyway heres the info use it in anyway you would like.

3) The HoD sword was put in the game intentionally to have +5 energy and later removed because it was deemed imbalanced. The SoA axe exploits a bug. There is a difference.

The HoD sword gives you a minor advantage, the SoA axe is a game breaker. There are still +5 energy unconditional wands available for 3 char carvings. If you want 20% enchanting, switch to Yakslapper or something to cast enchantments.

It is better that they piss off a few disgruntled players now than ruin the game's balance in the long run.

4) It is impossible to code something that is 100% foolproof and anticipate how every single item or skill will be abused. People up will come up with all sorts of strategies and combinations that were unthinkable when the game was created. The game will be continually updated once some new bugged items / over powered strats are discovered.

unienaule · Dec 21, 2005, 08:07 AM // 08:07

Well, at least they added Icy Dragon Swords.

doggirl211 · Dec 21, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29

What amazes me is, all you guys that just ASSUME that everyone who had the axe INTENTIONALLY exploited it. I had the axe and used it, because I'm a new player and don't have the money for a better one. I salvaged a +23 health grip off another drop, and put it on this axe, because of the dmg bonus vs. Charr. This was the best weapon I had. I never tried to exploit anything, I never tried to do anything, but make the best out of what I had gotten LEGITIMATELY. Now,not only did they ruin the best weapon I had available, but they stole my grip off it in the process.
Yeah, if I had intentionally exploited anything, I would agree with what everyone's saying. But I used the thing the way they designed it to be used, and I got screwed anyway. Fair? I think not.

kimo the healer · Dec 21, 2005, 08:36 AM // 08:36

Dude or dudette, that axe is worth 5 gold.
Your 23hp grip is worth maybe 300 gold.
There's bigger and better things to come, get over it.

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Originally Posted by doggirl211

What amazes me is, all you guys that just ASSUME that everyone who had the axe INTENTIONALLY exploited it. I had the axe and used it, because I'm a new player and don't have the money for a better one. I salvaged a +23 health grip off another drop, and put it on this axe, because of the dmg bonus vs. Charr. This was the best weapon I had. I never tried to exploit anything, I never tried to do anything, but make the best out of what I had gotten LEGITIMATELY. Now,not only did they ruin the best weapon I had available, but they stole my grip off it in the process.
Yeah, if I had intentionally exploited anything, I would agree with what everyone's saying. But I used the thing the way they designed it to be used, and I got screwed anyway. Fair? I think not.

Rabid Weasel · Dec 21, 2005, 08:38 AM // 08:38

Haha... gotta laugh at all this. I wonder if these people screaming at Anet for the nerf actually realise they where in fact breaking the game rules! As someone else said, how in the hell are Anet supposed to know how much you foolishly spent on a 20% grip, it's YOUR FAULT, not Anets. If you don't like it, tough, leave if your threatening to leave, the rest of the GW community really don't care if you leave!

Anet nurf FTW!

Makkert · Dec 21, 2005, 08:46 AM // 08:46

Thanks ANet for the action taken, and congrats on winning your awards for Best Value and Best MMORPG.
Well deserved.

~ makkert

neoteo · Dec 21, 2005, 08:52 AM // 08:52

afaik , updates complainers killed some of the best mmorpgs ( swg ) , power players complain about balance all the time , spaming every forum possible ... then updates come , massive complains start , its a endless loop ... im parying everyday , that this doesnt hapan to guildwars ...

i dont have a warrior , so this didnt afect me directly , but if it was a bug , then needed to be fixed.

Numa Pompilius · Dec 21, 2005, 08:54 AM // 08:54

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Originally Posted by Ajora

Anyone who bought the axe deserves it. They were attempting to abuse an exploit. And those who sold their axes...well..they exploited the exploiters. Seems like justice to me.

This is simply so fricking true it just needed to be quoted. No innocents were harmed.

Da Immortal King · Dec 21, 2005, 09:18 AM // 09:18

meh at least i sold the axe blindlessly for 1k. another guy wanted it for 400g

Green Boss of Tyria · Dec 21, 2005, 09:19 AM // 09:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ajora

Anyone who bought the axe deserves it. They were attempting to abuse an exploit. And those who sold their axes...well..they exploited the exploiters. Seems like justice to me.

Everyone who was selling those axes were exploiting a bug as well. (Knowingly selling a bugged axe).

Akhilleus · Dec 21, 2005, 09:25 AM // 09:25

i for one knew anet would nerf these, just how and when i wasnt entire sure of, however i felt (and still feel) that teh 500k investment i put into this project was worth the risk, worth being able to possibly get one past the modification.
i didnt, but it was worth a try.
i knew the risks and i was willing to accept the cost, as did just about everyone who bought/sold these...if you make an investment you must also be prepared to take the loss in case all goes south...never invest what you cannot afford, if you do so you have only yourself to blame.

-Akh.

Tetris L · Dec 21, 2005, 09:26 AM // 09:26

My 0,02€ on the matter:

Unlike the HoD sword the SoA axe was never intended to be used that way by the devs. Anybody going for the SoA axe knew exactly that he was exploiting a bug, a flaw in the game design. Exploiting bugs is cheesy at least, or you may even call it cheating. In any case, you must have been aware that ANet could and would eventually plug that hole, for balancing reasons.

So, you tried to cheat, and now that ANet stopped it you even got the balls to come here and complain about it?? Cry me a river. Frankly, you got exactly what you deserved.

NowTumi · Dec 21, 2005, 09:27 AM // 09:27

did they remove double modded item completely?

From what I've heard, double modded hammer can't be done anymore but there are previous ones still.

Xenrath · Dec 21, 2005, 09:48 AM // 09:48

For the people who are complaining they lost money: look it's really very simple. You took advantage of an exploit, or tried to. Actually the ones selling modded axes ALSO took advantage of the exploit, since it clearly states in the EULA exploiting a bug for unintended or unnatural gain is against the rules.

For example: if some broken door in your house lets me waltz into your house, and steal everything, should I be able to keep everything I took because you had that door fixed and the police tracked me down? Of course not! That's the kind of logic people are using here complaining about it.

Just be glad you weren't banned!

Oh in case those who think "well we paid for the game" blah blah blah. No. It is not your game. You paid for the priveledge of playing Anet's game. If you read licence agreements (or know anything about the software industry) you will quickly realise almost ALL software is like this, especially games. You pay Anet, they ALLOW you to play. It's their game, their software to do with as they please that's the bottom line. They don't have to, if you break their rules.

sabretalon · Dec 21, 2005, 10:19 AM // 10:19

Some people lost money and some people gained money, in the great scheme of things both the seller and buyer exploited a bug in the game. It is the nature of some people to find faults in whatever others do and try to exploit them.

Some people end up getting so tied up in this game, it is just a game, still a very good one but a game not real money or life.

Those that are complaiing about it should just be thankfull that further action was not taken!

The only thing I would have liked to see was a warning going out from ANET. They have your contact details so why not send a quick email warning people of this sort of thing, or any other scam come to mention it? Not everyone uses forums for info, so some people will have bought the axe not knowing that it was bugged.

Cheer up it is nearly Christmas

widds2v · Dec 21, 2005, 10:28 AM // 10:28

I can understand where ANET is coming from with removing them from the game, but the whole not compensating thing is them just being lazy. Instead of actually fixing the situation they simply did the fastest thing and removed all axes in existance.

I for one had a 20% & 19% axe grip in my vault when the axe was discovered & used those in the one SoA axe I had. IMO they should of made them unequipable, to allow people to salvage at least one grip out of them, put a NPC in the game to hand them to get both grips back.. or took them out themselves (login with 2 grips in your inventory).

Zimba · Dec 21, 2005, 10:29 AM // 10:29

Its called capitalisme. And its just the reality that people wants to make money on anything even by exploiting other people.

Dancing Blade · Dec 21, 2005, 10:30 AM // 10:30

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Originally Posted by NowTumi

did they remove double modded item completely?

From what I've heard, double modded hammer can't be done anymore but there are previous ones still.

If thats true, they should remove the hammer, too. I wouldnt like the World Championship to be decided by who has the best items, but by player skill and strategy.

Rico Carridan · Dec 21, 2005, 10:31 AM // 10:31

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Originally Posted by doggirl211

What amazes me is, all you guys that just ASSUME that everyone who had the axe INTENTIONALLY exploited it. I had the axe and used it, because I'm a new player and don't have the money for a better one. I salvaged a +23 health grip off another drop, and put it on this axe, because of the dmg bonus vs. Charr. This was the best weapon I had. I never tried to exploit anything, I never tried to do anything, but make the best out of what I had gotten LEGITIMATELY. Now,not only did they ruin the best weapon I had available, but they stole my grip off it in the process.
Yeah, if I had intentionally exploited anything, I would agree with what everyone's saying. But I used the thing the way they designed it to be used, and I got screwed anyway. Fair? I think not.

Unfortunately, people like you are the ones who got the short end of the stick here. However, honestly, there are probably only a handful of people who actually used the axe as it was intended... I would guess 99.9% of the people who had the axe were using it for the exploit.

If it makes you feel any better, you can contact me (Alia Pai or Othello Pai) ingame, and I'll gladly hook you up with a decent replacement for free, or at least a bit of money so you can look around for yourself.

Rico

Tiq · Dec 21, 2005, 10:31 AM // 10:31

You exploited a bug in the game, anet caught it and got rid of it, asking to be compensated because you invested money in this particular bug is simply pathetic.